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Both of the Weinstein's have a really terrible track record of changing things to the detriment of the film as a whole.Bob Weinstein hated Mimic (1997) and when Guillermo Del Toro stood his ground he hired Robert Rodriguez to direct second unit footage. Also, Harvey Weinstein famously wanted to cut down Princess Mononoke by Hayao Miyazaki and Snowpiercer by Bong Joon-Ho.In the case of Princess Mononoke because Studio Ghibli was aware of Harvey Weinstein's reputation one of the producers actually sent him a Katana with a message that said "No Cuts". With Snowpiercer Bong Joon-Ho refused to make the cuts Weinstein wanted and Weinstein only relented when Snowpiercer opened in Korea as well as France to critical acclaim and massive box office.Snowpiercer would get released but only in limited screenings.Secondhand reports told a story that studio heads feared that people wouldn't be able understand the movie.They put together their own cut of the movie that tested badly and made the case for releasing the director's original cut all the more relevant.

They don't call him "Harvey Scissorhands" for nothing.
It was Toshio Suzuki, one of the producers had sent him a authentic katana with a note says "NO CUTS!"...

But Miramax was known to cut Asian HK films and dubbed it in English like that I care that the fact Miramax hires American voice actors for the Asian characters, especially the Jackie Chan & Jet Li films, to mention this, Iron Monkey was cut, re-scored, but differently translated:
Jackie Chan Films:
Dragon Lord: (Original: 102 Mins, Cut: 94 Mins)
Project A (Original: 106 Mins, Cut: 98 Mins)
Operation Condor 2: The Armour of the Gods aka Armour of God (Original: 98 Mins, Cut: 87 Mins)
Project A 2 (Original: 106 Mins, Cut: 101 Mins)
Supercop aka Police Story 3: Supercop (Original: 95 Mins, Cut: 91 Mins)
Operation Condor aka Armour of God 2 (Original: 107 Mins, Cut: 92 Mins)
Twin Dragons (Original: 100 Mins, Cut: 89 Mins)
The Accidental Spy (Original: 108 Mins, Cut: 87 Mins)
Just stupid and unnecessary for Miramax to adopt New Line Cinema's model of cutting Jackie's films although First Strike was horrendous at its 80 Minute version, but New Line shouldve sued Miramax for that kind of bullshit. But I'll tell you, Devil's Due editor Rod Dean who did Twin Dragons has to be one of the most horrendous idiotic editors that created his own story and cut the original film that was so incredibly fantastic that was turned into a complete 88 minute mess.
 
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Both of the Weinstein's have a really terrible track record of changing things to the detriment of the film as a whole.Bob Weinstein hated Mimic (1997) and when Guillermo Del Toro stood his ground he hired Robert Rodriguez to direct second unit footage. Also, Harvey Weinstein famously wanted to cut down Princess Mononoke by Hayao Miyazaki and Snowpiercer by Bong Joon-Ho.In the case of Princess Mononoke because Studio Ghibli was aware of Harvey Weinstein's reputation one of the producers actually sent him a Katana with a message that said "No Cuts". With Snowpiercer Bong Joon-Ho refused to make the cuts Weinstein wanted and Weinstein only relented when Snowpiercer opened in Korea as well as France to critical acclaim and massive box office.Snowpiercer would get released but only in limited screenings.Secondhand reports told a story that studio heads feared that people wouldn't be able understand the movie.They put together their own cut of the movie that tested badly and made the case for releasing the director's original cut all the more relevant.

They don't call him "Harvey Scissorhands" for nothing.
Couldn't agree with you more. In case if you or anyone else would like to read more about Weinsteins and their history of butchering films, you can check out this great three part article which goes into great details about this;

http://moviebuzzers.com/timeline-havery-scissorhands-weinsteins-history-cutting-movies/

http://moviebuzzers.com/worst-weinsteins-timeline-harvey-bob-cutting-movies-part-2-19972004/

http://moviebuzzers.com/worst-weinsteins-timeline-harvey-bob-cutting-movies-part-3-2005present/
 
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Couldn't agree with you more. In case if you or anyone else would like to read more about Weinsteins and their history of butchering films, you can check out this great three part article which goes into great details about this;

http://moviebuzzers.com/timeline-havery-scissorhands-weinsteins-history-cutting-movies/

http://moviebuzzers.com/worst-weinsteins-timeline-harvey-bob-cutting-movies-part-2-19972004/

http://moviebuzzers.com/worst-weinsteins-timeline-harvey-bob-cutting-movies-part-3-2005present/
One of the best articles out there about Weinstein & Miramax's cutting is of course the Asian HK thing, Lisa Dombrowski's Miramax's Asian experiment.
 
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Both of the Weinstein's have a really terrible track record of changing things to the detriment of the film as a whole.Bob Weinstein hated Mimic (1997) and when Guillermo Del Toro stood his ground he hired Robert Rodriguez to direct second unit footage. Also, Harvey Weinstein famously wanted to cut down Princess Mononoke by Hayao Miyazaki and Snowpiercer by Bong Joon-Ho.In the case of Princess Mononoke because Studio Ghibli was aware of Harvey Weinstein's reputation one of the producers actually sent him a Katana with a message that said "No Cuts". With Snowpiercer Bong Joon-Ho refused to make the cuts Weinstein wanted and Weinstein only relented when Snowpiercer opened in Korea as well as France to critical acclaim and massive box office.Snowpiercer would get released but only in limited screenings.Secondhand reports told a story that studio heads feared that people wouldn't be able understand the movie.They put together their own cut of the movie that tested badly and made the case for releasing the director's original cut all the more relevant.

They don't call him "Harvey Scissorhands" for nothing.
The SNOWPIERCER thing was a travesty. That's such a great movie.

Just this year I read Peter Biskind's 'Down and Dirty Pictures' about the Weinsteins, Sundance and the rise of Amercian indie film in the 90's. Incredible book. Bob and Harvey are complete scumbags.
 
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One of the best articles out there about Weinstein & Miramax's cutting is of course the Asian HK thing, Lisa Dombrowski's Miramax's Asian experiment.
Yeah, as a massive Hong Kong movie fan from the 90's it was frustrating the disrespect with which they treated those movies.

The artwork was egregiously false and shitty. I recall the poster for OPERATION CONDOR had two chicks flanking Jackie that weren't even in the film.
 
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The Weinstein's aren't incapable of making good movies (The Burning), but when it comes to genre movies they're on the same level of misunderstanding as Tom Rothman.
I sometimes wonder that without Tarantino, they'd have nothing.
Also, let's not forget what they did to Halloween 6, The Crow: City of Angels, and more.
 
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The Weinstein's aren't incapable of making good movies (The Burning), but when it comes to genre movies they're on the same level of misunderstanding as Tom Rothman.
I sometimes wonder that without Tarantino, they'd have nothing.
Also, let's not forget what they did to Halloween 6, The Crow: City of Angels, and more.
Speaking of Tom Rothman:https://disqus.com/home/channel/marvelmania/discussion/channel-marvelmania/tom_rothman_a_history_of_fox_mismanagement/
 
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The Weinstein's aren't incapable of making good movies (The Burning), but when it comes to genre movies they're on the same level of misunderstanding as Tom Rothman.
I sometimes wonder that without Tarantino, they'd have nothing.
Also, let's not forget what they did to Halloween 6, The Crow: City of Angels, and more.
City of Angels is particularly unforgivable for me. I'm an enormous fan of the original film, and I'd even go so far as to say I'm a fan of what the sequel could have been, going off the novelization. It's baffling to me that they were so content to just make a far lesser version of the first film instead of what was initially a much nastier and more pessimistic film. Innovation really is not the name of the game when it comes to the Weinsteins...
 
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City of Angels is particularly unforgivable for me. I'm an enormous fan of the original film, and I'd even go so far as to say I'm a fan of what the sequel could have been, going off the novelization. It's baffling to me that they were so content to just make a far lesser version of the first film instead of what was initially a much nastier and more pessimistic film. Innovation really is not the name of the game when it comes to the Weinsteins...
Damn truth. I am also a huge fan of The Crow and although for long time i hated City Of Angels, over the years i ended up liking it for same reason as you, because i can see how better this movie could have been. For the last few years, every time i feel like watching it again i just watch that famous Second Coming fanedit that one of the fans made, and it's actually much better than the theatrical version. But then again, when the movie has like 90 minutes of plot and character scenes cut out, of course that the final cut will have problems.

I can also agree with you about original cut being much nastier and more pessimistic film, specially with scenes like Kali's original death where she gets crippled and left on the street to be raped to death and original downer ending which was so much better and actually made sense.
 

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It was Toshio Suzuki, one of the producers had sent him a authentic katana with a note says "NO CUTS!"...

But Miramax was known to cut Asian HK films and dubbed it in English like that I care that the fact Miramax hires American voice actors for the Asian characters, especially the Jackie Chan & Jet Li films, to mention this, Iron Monkey was cut, re-scored, but differently translated:
Jackie Chan Films:
Dragon Lord: (Original: 102 Mins, Cut: 94 Mins)
Project A (Original: 106 Mins, Cut: 98 Mins)
Operation Condor 2: The Armour of the Gods aka Armour of God (Original: 98 Mins, Cut: 87 Mins)
Project A 2 (Original: 106 Mins, Cut: 101 Mins)
Supercop aka Police Story 3: Supercop (Original: 95 Mins, Cut: 91 Mins)
Operation Condor aka Armour of God 2 (Original: 107 Mins, Cut: 92 Mins)
Twin Dragons (Original: 100 Mins, Cut: 89 Mins)
The Accidental Spy (Original: 108 Mins, Cut: 87 Mins)
Just stupid and unnecessary for Miramax to adopt New Line Cinema's model of cutting Jackie's films although First Strike was horrendous at its 80 Minute version, but New Line shouldve sued Miramax for that kind of bullshit. But I'll tell you, Devil's Due editor Rod Dean who did Twin Dragons has to be one of the most horrendous idiotic editors that created his own story and cut the original film that was so incredibly fantastic that was turned into a complete 88 minute mess.
Don't forget Rumble in the Bronx, which Weinstein also redubbed, rescored and cut several minutes from.
 
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Don't forget Rumble in the Bronx, which Weinstein also redubbed, rescored and cut several minutes from.
No, that was New Line Cinema, they cut it from 107 Minutes down to about 89 Mins, Miramax acquired the international rights and I remembered seeing it, they shorten the bottle scene.
 
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Yeah, as a massive Hong Kong movie fan from the 90's it was frustrating the disrespect with which they treated those movies.

The artwork was egregiously false and shitty. I recall the poster for OPERATION CONDOR had two chicks flanking Jackie that weren't even in the film.
Yeah, those sexy chicks weren't in the films, but Jackie on the poster just looks like horrendous photoshop.
But why Miramax can't use the original poster.:
HK:
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My motto in screenwriting is "...if you ever write a spec script for a brilliant horror movie, don't sell it to the Weinsteins'. They might turn it into an unwanted, unfitting, direct-to-video Hellraiser sequel."
 
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My motto in screenwriting is "...if you ever write a spec script for a brilliant horror movie, don't sell it to the Weinsteins'. They might turn it into an unwanted, unfitting, direct-to-video Hellraiser sequel."
So you intentionally write a Hellraiser sequel and they turn it into an unrelated film. Boom.
 

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No, that was New Line Cinema, they cut it from 107 Minutes down to about 89 Mins, Miramax acquired the international rights and I remembered seeing it, they shorten the bottle scene.
Ah, you're right. But as much as they tampered with it, it may as well have been Miramax. I don't remember everything that was cut, but I do remember they trimmed the alleyway bottle scene as you mentioned, and I remember they cut out a bit where Jackie gave a short kung fu lesson to a customer immediately after he ran the thugs out of the grocery store. Oh, and I just remembered another bit where Anita Mui (RIP!) was lighting a string of chinese firecrackers that was cut out.
 
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Ah, you're right. But as much as they tampered with it, it may as well have been Miramax. I don't remember everything that was cut, but I do remember they trimmed the alleyway bottle scene as you mentioned, and I remember they cut out a bit where Jackie gave a short kung fu lesson to a customer immediately after he ran the thugs out of the grocery store. Oh, and I just remembered another bit where Anita Mui (RIP!) was lighting a string of chinese firecrackers that was cut out.
As I remembered that the U.S TV version restores some of the trimmed scenes.
That was in the outtakes of Anita was lighting the firecrackers, she's trying to do it, but it fails.
R.I.P Anita Mui (1963-2003), great actress and very good singer in which the same thing with alterations with HK films goes to how much her theme song in the original version of The Heroic Trio is replaced in the U.S cut with a re-scored instrumental version of the song.
 
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