Movie Molly's Game by Aaron sorkin

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#42
Really? I thoroughly enjoyed it. I shared your sense that it felt like a play while I was watching it, but there were some things with intercut timelines that would have been hard to pull of on a stage (unless you had several actors playing Jobs, I suppose).

What didn't you like about it?
I personally loved that script. The movie was... okay, bordering great. The cut parts were not excusable, to me. That Beethoven dialogue was one of the best parts, and cut for... pacing? Fassbender did not work for me, and that was a first. And his last bit with his daughter was sliced to pieces. Lost a lot of weight.

Still, I didn't like Molly's Game at all. I even have a (probably untrue) theory that it was a knee-jerk response to the criticism of Steve Jobs, which deserved better.
 
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#44
For what it's worth, I througholy enjoyed it. For a 200+ page screenplay it zipped by. Visually it's quite static and it does seem odd to me how they're going to go about casting when the names of player X and co are already out their in the public domain. Perhaps my only criticism was Sorkin's constant unsubtle reminders of what a great gal Molly was deep down
 
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#45
Of course it was sarcastic. Sorkin's a genius. Even his "crap" is more cerebral that 95% of other material.
A genius can still fail, man (they often do). And "cerebral"... sure, but that never means quality. I thought Steve Jobs (the script) was great, Molly's Game? Rough first part and not so great closure on the final, but a killer middle chunk.
 
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#47
A genius can still fail, man (they often do). And "cerebral"... sure, but that never means quality. I thought Steve Jobs (the script) was great, Molly's Game? Rough first part and not so great closure on the final, but a killer middle chunk.
Cerebral certainly means quality if you enjoy a thinking man's material. But to each their own, I don't really know how to have a debate on writing quality with someone who pans this script as "unreadable" yet lauds Max Landis. Agree to disagree.
 
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Cerebral certainly means quality if you enjoy a thinking man's material. But to each their own, I don't really know how to have a debate on writing quality with someone who pans this script as "unreadable" yet lauds Max Landis. Agree to disagree.
I laud Max Landis? Tought Me Him Her, Mr. Right and American Ultra were crap, the movies and the scripts. Bright had good parts and Deeper was great. The other ones hover in between.

And I panned the opening of the script as unreadable, which I stand for. For a cerebral guy, he surely done the most boring exposition voice over I can think of. Remember the Sorkin that made the brilliant opening conversation in The Social Network the perfect introduction to the whole point of the movie or dared to make an intro scene a whole first act in Steve Jobs? That's the Sorkin I like. The redundancy of Molly's Game first dozen pages is puzzling.
 
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Really? I thoroughly enjoyed it. I shared your sense that it felt like a play while I was watching it, but there were some things with intercut timelines that would have been hard to pull of on a stage (unless you had several actors playing Jobs, I suppose).

What didn't you like about it?
While Sorkin's dialogue was first rate (as always), I felt really... claustrophobic... within the forced timeline of "The Moments Before the Big Releases" that built the movie. Also, while I can appreciate the skill it took to manipulate Jobs' life events to fit in this timeline efficiently/effectively, it was SO distracting and unrealistic to shove it all in there that I felt cheated.
Basically, I felt as though I should be seeing it play out live, on Broadway, not on screen at my local theatre. Because to me, it's a play that was shot on film.
 
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Well, if you want the script at least send a request and I'll reply with a uploaded file via pm, You (New Members) know better than that to send a request with email, if I send it to your email that would cause my GB to take a complete mess of space.
 
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Deeper was far from great. It was too lazy written and has too many big flaws. The main character doesn't have any motivation at all and Landis doesn't even bother to explain mysterious crap that happens during the whole script, it just happens...that's it. And it makes 3rd act pretty awful. It's like Landis was trying to write the most absurd script he can and check if It sells. And It sold! But this kind of stuff only Landis can do.
 
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Deeper was far from great. It was too lazy written and has too many big flaws. The main character doesn't have any motivation at all and Landis doesn't even bother to explain mysterious crap that happens during the whole script, it just happens...that it. And it makes 3rd act pretty awful. It's like Landis was trying to write the most absurd script he can and check if It sells. And It sold! But this kind of stuff only Landis can do.
It was interesting but kind of good but just didn't got the impact or attention out of me when reading it.
 
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Deeper was far from great. It was too lazy written and has too many big flaws. The main character doesn't have any motivation at all and Landis doesn't even bother to explain mysterious crap that happens during the whole script, it just happens...that's it. And it makes 3rd act pretty awful. It's like Landis was trying to write the most absurd script he can and check if It sells. And It sold! But this kind of stuff only Landis can do.
I disagree. I didn't mind the surreal elements at all. I understand how that might turn people off who were expecting a realistic underwater thriller, but the focus of Landis's story is clearly elsewhere. Once you accept these more outlandish elements, Landis thoughtfully, uniquely and profoundly tackled depression, thoughts of suicide and loneliness without overtly spelling out these issues.

Thought the protagonist's motivation was pretty clear. A character that has failed over and over again who finally has an opportunity to do something great and will thus stop at nothing to reach his goal regardless of the consequences.

Of course, as the story progresses, we learn a lot more about who he is through his supernatural encounters and interactions with the surface characters.
 
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