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PREDATOR Remake

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I have very mixed feelings about it. I really liked the beginning of the movie, the actors in the lead roles, there's some good humor, dialogues and character interactions here and there, but at the same time the plot doesn't make any sense, characters don't have any motivation (the only excuse Shane and Dekker used was that they are crazy, but that's not enough, "not crazy" characters don't have motivation too) and everything feels like it happens just because it happens, so you don't really care about what happens on screen. They also didn't bother to write a new score for the movie, so they used the score from the original Predator instead (I really like Predator's score, but it was lazy). The ending was HORRIBLE, so awful, I was surprised that after so many test-screenings they didn't change it, maybe they just didn't care at that point. The movie could've been better, especially with Shane Black at helm. I think it's time to take Alien and Predator franchises away from Fox. You can't screw up these movies for 30 years, it's almost supernatural incompetence, the only similar example of that is Terminator franchise, but Terminator 3-6 were made in different studios and producers didn't even care to hire a good creative team for any of those movies.
 
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At this point there's only two things to do with this franchise, go their home world, or drop the predator in another time period. Neither of which I think are particularly interesting.
 
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I saw it last week and agree with nothing KDCoolman stated. Turn your brain off and just enjoy the ride. In a whole lot of ways it is full-on throwback heaven. I absolutely don't need a smart Predator movie that breaks new ground. That cake has already been baked. I just needed it to kick ass and be a shit ton of fun and it achieved that for me. Less that bullshit Olivia Munn scene - when you see it you will know exactly what I am talking about. I mean what was the point? Otherwise ----- All good!
 
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Isn't the fact that Munn is supposed to be playing an evolutionary biologist kind of make every scene of hers bullshit by default?
 
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Isn't the fact that Munn is supposed to be playing an evolutionary biologist kind of make every scene of hers bullshit by default?
What part of TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF was unclear? Who gives a shit? It is still infinitely more believable than casting Denise Richards as a nuclear physicist. People seem to have a seriously ridiculous expectations for what amounts to a stupid action movie. The role does not exactly scream the necessity for Oscar caliber talent.
 
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I haven't seen the film yet, and I'm in absolutely no rush to, but you should never have to turn your brain off to enjoy a movie. Whenever someone tells me that, it's basically a big red flag indicating how bad it's going to be. It's similar to when people use the awful phrase "It's good for what it is." The BM I took this morning was good for what it is, but you know what? It was still a piece of shit.
 
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I saw it last week and agree with nothing KDCoolman stated. Turn your brain off and just enjoy the ride. In a whole lot of ways it is full-on throwback heaven. I absolutely don't need a smart Predator movie that breaks new ground. That cake has already been baked. I just needed it to kick ass and be a shit ton of fun and it achieved that for me. Less that bullshit Olivia Munn scene - when you see it you will know exactly what I am talking about. I mean what was the point? Otherwise ----- All good!
So you don't agree that the beginning is very good, the actors are good and there's some good humor, dialogues, and character interactions? :) And I don't know how you're okay with the ending, it's just horrendous, no matter if you turn your brain on or off, I haven't seen a single person who liked it, even those who loved the rest of the movie hated it.

For those who haven't seen the movie yet, but read the script, the ending I mean wasn't in the script and was part of the reshot third act. And I have no idea what the hell they were thinking.
 
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As someone that has both read the original script and saw the movie early, I was a little bit disappointed with it and wished that a) they kept the original ending and b) Black and Dekker did another rewrite on this movie because there are some good ideas in this movie. They just focused on the wrong ones.
 
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So you don't agree that the beginning is very good, the actors are good and there's some good humor, dialogues, and character interactions? :) And I don't know how you're okay with the ending, it's just horrendous, no matter if you turn your brain on or off, I haven't seen a single person who liked it, even those who loved the rest of the movie hated it.

For those who haven't seen the movie yet, but read the script, the ending I mean wasn't in the script and was part of the reshot third act. And I have no idea what the hell they were thinking.
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Was it the borderline preachy anti-Republican talking point that pissed you off? The blatant violation of child labor laws? Or the fact that this has all been about the "splice" from the beginning and one of the natural evolutions of that is a "monster" with "humanity" leveling the playing field. I really didn't have a problem with it. Was it a bit muddled and "wait - uh - okay then" ----- sure. It absolutely could of been written a whole lot better. I get it. The point is that it opens up a whole bunch of directions to take this franchise next and sends the series to a badass place we have never been before in every direction. Potentially on multiple levels as nothing says the imminent invasion has to take place in one direction now. Really think about what this potentially sets up on whole. Your ignoring the bigger picture on the basis of a single resolution. Imagine Dutch in one of those suits laying waste to a field of Predators like they were nothing. Imagine the shift that could happen if the Predators fear us and we - by nature - become the "dominant" species. The Predators will absolutely have to evolve to survive now. What kind of awesome will that naturally create. What does that movie look like? I have no clue but I really want to play in that world for a bit. The possibilities of crazy shit you can create as a result of this mess is endless. I can forgive the clunkiness of it all because of that.
 
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Added to that ----- does it not feel like a full on 80s resolution? I enjoyed the retro vibe of it after the fact. Do not get elaborate - do not explain or show to much - quickest trip to the pin is best - leave them with just enough questions to spark the magic word - SEQUEL.
 
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The point is that it opens up a whole bunch of directions to take this franchise next and sends the series to a badass place we have never been before in every direction.
That's an interesting point of view, but there won't be any sequels. Just like Alien, Predator will probably die with this movie for another couple of years (at least). That ending could open interesting directions for the franchise, sure, but they never use them, we are talking about Fox who screwed up most of Alien and Predator movies since 1987. They basically screwed up all the best ideas, chances and opportunities to make a great movie in Alien/Predator universes since 80s, so even if there's new Predator, it'll be another reboot/"true sequel to the original", which will be using the same concept and playing on nostalgia, they won't be using Shane's directions or characters for sure.
Added to that ----- does it not feel like a full on 80s resolution? I enjoyed the retro vibe of it after the fact.
I thought that last scene felt like another lazy, even absurd, attempt at MCU-like universe (there's even joke about it), it didn't feel like retro at all to me.
 
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Just got back from this. I had read the draft around the time it was posted, and enjoyed it. Then there was the stuff about the reshoots and the new ending, and then the reviews started coming out... it got me nervous. But I actually had a pretty good time. I don't think the action is anything but serviceable, but I quite liked the loonies and a lot of the humor. Played a lot better on the screen than I thought it did on paper.

My complaints... it feels like more a little bit was left on the cutting room floor. Munn has one line of dialogue in her intro scene and then we don't see her again for another ten or fifteen minutes, and there's not much of her there either. Doesn't even feel like a character for the first half of the movie. At one point she asks Holbrook if he remembers when she mentioned to him that the Predator likes to rip out its victims' spines - and I said, nope. Pretty sure most of that conversation was cut out of the movie. Then later on, the agents are just at the wife's house suddenly?

And the ending... eh. Not big on it. Could have done without it completely...

Still, had some fun with this movie. I don't know if I would say "turn your brain off" to enjoy it... If I had to say something to better position a person for this movie, I would probably say to not think about it being from the guy who punched up the original's script, and instead think of it as a Predaor movie from the guys who made The Monster Squad. If that helps.
 
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Not the best Predator movie ever, but **** it, like others have said, it's very fun and enjoyable action sci-fi film. I'd gladly take this one over both AVP films and Predators. As for problems with cuts, changes on the film during re-shoots, problems with third act... Didn't really bother me that much, probably because i was following any news about production of the film ever since it started, so i knew what to expect and that it won't be a masterpiece or anything. And after reading and listening some of the so called official reviews complaining how the film is offensive with racist and sexist jokes, i lost any will to even slightly care about what anyone else has to say about it. **** them assholes, looks like everybody are SJW these days.

One thing i want to mention to anyone who hates the very last scene; Rumor is that it wasn't even part of the re-shoots done by Black, but something which was added by studio about month ago during two more days of re-shoots, and it's painfully obvious that it really doesn't fits the rest of the film. You can actually see part of original ending in trailers, where McKenna is looking at the skies and says "Come and get us motherfuckers".

Would i love to see Shane Black's original cut? Absolutely, but unfortunately, according to him, Fox refused to release any deleted scenes from the film. Hopefully they'll change their minds in future. At least we have lot of proof that there was a very different version of the film which was
originally made, like this for example;

 
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One thing i want to mention to anyone who hates the very last scene; Rumor is that it wasn't even part of the re-shoots done by Black, but something which was added by studio about month ago during two more days of re-shoots, and it's painfully obvious that it really doesn't fits the rest of the film.
Was Bud Yorkin involved? ;)
 
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