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Yeah that is not at all racist. I say the same thing to all the people silly enough to hate the idea of Idris Elba as James Bond. Nothing should be out of the box in our day and age and that it still remains that way is sad. I am also full in for a female Doctor Who as soon as Peter Capaldi's brilliant ass decides to leave and not a second before. All doors should be open in my opinion. The status quo is what is making it all stale.
Can't agree. Race/gender-swapping too often means ticking boxes and stamping one's ego. "LOOK! A BLACK JAMES BOND! And it was ME who fought for it!"

Yup. Lazy-arsed tokenism = homogenized genericism.

Thing is, a non-white Clark Kent (or Mary Jane Watson) would not be the same character. A female Doctor? Uninspired and desperate. Not to mention wholly unnecessary.

Non-investment in non-white non-male actors. That's racist. That's sexist. Side-stepping the issue is not a step in the right direction.
 
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Also, it's not only a matter of black or white. There are a TON of races out there who just wouldn't be right for certain characters. You take a movie like Matchstick Men, and replace the Nicolas Cage character. A character like that isn't really iconic. There's nothing memorable or specific about his look. A person of any race could play that character, and it would be fine, although, you could ask if it would be as GOOD as Cage? Probably not. He's not afraid to get a little crazy with a role, as seen in many of his films, but if he didn't play the character, it would be anyone's part. But changing the race or gender of memorable, specific characters, such as Annie, just because people want a little diversity, is kind of bobbing for shock value or simply to get people talking, spreading the word, hoping that a majority of the people like the decision, even if it means alienating the original fans. If they want diversity, there are plenty of characters for them to change that won't completely ruin the uniqueness of the characters. Some just aren't meant to be touched. Even memorable characters such as Mrs. Doubtfire, could be played by people other than Robin Williams, if you really wanted to mess with the original, because it's not changing 60 years of mythology.
 
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Also, it's not only a matter of black or white. There are a TON of races out there who just wouldn't be right for certain characters. You take a movie like Matchstick Men, and replace the Nicolas Cage character. A character like that isn't really iconic. There's nothing memorable or specific about his look. A person of any race could play that character, and it would be fine, although, you could ask if it would be as GOOD as Cage? Probably not. He's not afraid to get a little crazy with a role, as seen in many of his films, but if he didn't play the character, it would be anyone's part. But changing the race or gender of memorable, specific characters, such as Annie, just because people want a little diversity, is kind of bobbing for shock value or simply to get people talking, spreading the word, hoping that a majority of the people like the decision, even if it means alienating the original fans. If they want diversity, there are plenty of characters for them to change that won't completely ruin the uniqueness of the characters. Some just aren't meant to be touched. Even memorable characters such as Mrs. Doubtfire, could be played by people other than Robin Williams, if you really wanted to mess with the original, because it's not changing 60 years of mythology.
You do realize we're just 'winding you up'?
 
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Also, it's not only a matter of black or white. There are a TON of races out there who just wouldn't be right for certain characters. You take a movie like Matchstick Men, and replace the Nicolas Cage character. A character like that isn't really iconic. There's nothing memorable or specific about his look. A person of any race could play that character, and it would be fine, although, you could ask if it would be as GOOD as Cage? Probably not. He's not afraid to get a little crazy with a role, as seen in many of his films, but if he didn't play the character, it would be anyone's part. But changing the race or gender of memorable, specific characters, such as Annie, just because people want a little diversity, is kind of bobbing for shock value or simply to get people talking, spreading the word, hoping that a majority of the people like the decision, even if it means alienating the original fans. If they want diversity, there are plenty of characters for them to change that won't completely ruin the uniqueness of the characters. Some just aren't meant to be touched. Even memorable characters such as Mrs. Doubtfire, could be played by people other than Robin Williams, if you really wanted to mess with the original, because it's not changing 60 years of mythology.
So you have a problem with Cage's role in Matchstick Men getting replaced - which nobody gives a sh** about from any logical perspective - but have no problem replacing Robin Williams in one of his most beloved roles? Yeah that makes total sense and definitely proves a point you were most likely not attempting to make.
 
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So you have a problem with Cage's role in Matchstick Men getting replaced - which nobody gives a sh** about from any logical perspective - but have no problem replacing Robin Williams in one of his most beloved roles? Yeah that makes total sense and definitely proves a point you were most likely not attempting to make.
No no, I didn't say I'm fine with them replacing Cage, but I wouldn't want them to, haha. I love Matchstick Men! And I only said they COULD get away with replacing those characters, without it being too weird. Like the guy who plays Big Mama in Big Mama's House (I think Martin Lawrence). Anyone could play that character. Eddie Murphy could play that character and it would be the same thing, but funnier. How many people have played Batman, and it's fine almost every time, minus Kilmer and Clooney. Oooo, that should be a movie. "Kilmer and Clooney" - Val Kilmer and George Clooney join forces as the two most hated Batmen, to fight against the shit load of people who hated their portrayals. I can just imagine them walking around New York City with people making fun of them and them coming back with childish rebuttals. Hahaha. There could be a Wedding Crashers Chaz type scene, where they visit Adam West at his mom's house, haha.
 
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No no, I didn't say I'm fine with them replacing Cage, but I wouldn't want them to, haha. I love Matchstick Men! And I only said they COULD get away with replacing those characters, without it being too weird. Like the guy who plays Big Mama in Big Mama's House (I think Martin Lawrence). Anyone could play that character. Eddie Murphy could play that character and it would be the same thing, but funnier. How many people have played Batman, and it's fine almost every time, minus Kilmer and Clooney. Oooo, that should be a movie. "Kilmer and Clooney" - Val Kilmer and George Clooney join forces as the two most hated Batmen, to fight against the shit load of people who hated their portrayals. I can just imagine them walking around New York City with people making fun of them and them coming back with childish rebuttals. Hahaha.
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I think if you switched Williams and Hoffman with Doubtfire and Tootsie, they'd play each other's roles just fine.
 
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I actually think Will Smith, given the right script, would have been an excellent choice for Superman - when he was the age at which Flyby was written and a legitimate project. Can you imagine his Clark Kent? An awkward nerd, played by an actor who could actually make his timidness and clumsiness funny, yet someone who could show us the joy Kal El feels when he takes off the disguise and goes off to save the world? It would take the right actor and script to make it work, but I argue BvS is an example of that - taking Cavill, who was really quite remarkable and solid in Man Of Steel, and turning his Superman into a mopey, whiny bore.

I like the idea of Will Smith better than I like Paul Walker, who had to turn it down before they would let Ratner offer it to Bomer.
 
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Were any of you aware of this December 19, 1975 draft that was on eBay a few years ago? It was re-written from Puzo's original by Norman Enfield before Dave and Leslie Newman came on board and he's credited with "add. dialogue" in the movie. He also worked on some of Richard Lester's projects and given how Donner and Mankiewicz talk about him on the commentary, it's possible that it's Lester himself under a pen name.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/superman-1975-early-script-norman-1763347460
 
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